Question: Mr. Castaneda, you retain complete anonymity for years. What made you change this condition and tell the public about the doctrine which you and three of your fellow got from nagual Juan Matus?
- A: The need to be clear, that's what motivates us to spread the teachings of Don Juan. Postpone this task was impossible. We - all four of them - came to the conclusion that in a world that has opened for us, Don Juan, may enter any man. We discussed which way to go. Remain in anonymity for us to do as Don Juan? Unacceptable. The second way - to tell the teachings of Don Juan. Specifically, the more dangerous and exhausting, but this way, I believe there is dignity, have a heart.
Q: Given what you said about the unpredictability of the warrior (and this month we have received confirmation) can be expected that your communication with the public will last for a while? And for how long?
- Answer: There is no way to set a time criterion. We live according to the assumptions made by Don Juan, and never shy away from them. Don Juan Matus gave us a grand example of a person who lives in this way. And I say - his great example, because the most difficult - is to be a solid, solid and flexible at the same time. That's how he lived, Don Juan. Only one thing is undeniable: the man - not a player on the chessboard of the universe, it is - just a pawn on this board. It is all about personal energy conscious, what magicians call "intent" or "spirit."
- Answer: The system of knowledge in the Western man forces us to rely on concepts that were created before us and consider right. We base our judgment on something that there is always "a priori." Take, for example, the notion of orthodoxy. What is orthodox anthropology? What is taught in university classrooms? What is the behavior of a shaman? Wearing feathers and dances with the spirits? Thirty years people have accused me of creating a literary character for one reason: the fact that I have described, did not coincide with the standard concepts, institutionalized in lecture halls and in the field of anthropological development. I never managed to make an accurate description of shamanism, because it needs to be the most active part of the world of shamans. Scientist, say, a sociologist, it is easy to conclude that a certain object is typical of the Western community, because this social scientist - himself an active member of the Western community. But how is an anthropologist who spent nearly two years for the study of other cultures, can get conclusive opinion on them? To enter the world of another culture, takes a lifetime. I have more than thirty years on the cultural knowledge of shamans of ancient Mexico, but still do not think so stick with it to make any firm conclusions. I discussed it with other disciplines, and they seemed to understand and agree. Nopotom they turned away and forget all what disagreed and continued to declare the "orthodox" principles, not caring that their words could contain absurd mistake. Our system of knowledge simply incomprehensible.
Q: Why did you not let the pictures yourself, record your voice on the tape, open to the public their background? This influence of the spirit world, and if so, how? Do not you think that the sincere seekers of knowledge would be useful to know who you really are, to really be able to follow the path that you offer them?
- A: As for the photos and personal data, here we follow the teachings of Don Juan. The most important thing - to abandon what he called "personal history." Abandon the "self" is very difficult. Shamans are looking for such a state of stress, when the personal "I" does not count. We are accustomed to endlessly use the photos, records and personal information, but it all comes from the notion of his own importance. Don Juan said that it is better not to know anything about shamans, so instead of a collision with a person comes up with a concept, which can be supported, is the opposite of what happens every day in the everyday world, where we meet only with people who have many psychological problems, and all these people are full to the brim with their own "me, me, me."
Q: Kakovyna case your relationship with Cleargreen Incorporated and other companies (Laugan Productions, Toltec Artists)? I'm talking about commercial ties.
- A: I needed someone who would represent me in spreading the ideas of Don Juan Matus. Cleargreen, and Laugan Productions, and Toltec Artists, by the nature of their activities close to me. I personally available commercial and artistic means of communication to spread the teachings of Don Juan in the modern world. And these corporations can provide a means for the dissemination of what I would like to distribute. Yes, big corporations always tend rework and adapt any ideas for your needs.If Cleargreen, Laugan Productions and Toltec Artists did not entertain genuine interest in my work, all that don Juan would now transformed into something quite different.
Q: There are many people who are somehow "attach themselves" to you to acquire fame. What is your opinion about the actions of Victor Sanchez, who interpreted and reorganized your teachings, in order to develop their own teaching. Or approval of Ken Eagle Feather, that he was chosen by Don Juan as a student?
- A: Yes, indeed, there are people who call themselves my students or students of Don Juan, and thus none of them I had never met, and I can guarantee that Don Juan - too. Don Juan was a strong interest in continuing their shamanic kind. He had four students who until now have remained with them. He had other students who had left him. He was not interested in the extension of the doctrine, he wanted to continue his race. Since none of the four students could not continue the race of Don Juan, they were forced to spread his teachings. The concept of teacher who teaches what he knows - is part of our system of knowledge, to the shamans of ancient Mexico, it is not relevant. The very thought of doing so, they would have seemed absurd.Transfer knowledge to those who continue your kind, is another matter. The fact that some people use my name or the name of Don Juan, it says that they want a simple and easily get the results they want.
Question: Let's assume that the word "spirituality" is a state of consciousness in which human beings are able to fully control the potential of its kind, step up from mere animal existence through the physical, moral and intellectual training. Do you agree? As the world of Don Juan combined with a similar concept?
- Answer: For don Juan Matus, is sensible and pragmatic shaman, "spirituality" is the empty sound, saying without basis. We believe such a wonderful concepts from literary and poetic expression, but that word is nothing. Shamans are essentially pragmatic. For them, there is only a predatory universe in which intelligence or awareness - a matter of life and death. Don Juan considered himself "navigators at infinity" and said that in order to sail into the unknown, as do shamans need unlimited pragmatism and steel inside. Don Juan believed that "spirituality" - just a description of something is impossible, it is impossible to achieve in a twist of the world of daily life, and that is not totput, to be followed.
Q: You mentioned that your literary work is the result of teachings of Don Juan. What purpose does it serve?
- A: The goal I was inspired by Don Juan. He suggested that if someone is able to write, but the writer is not, then the action is transformed from a literary shaman. Purpose and content of the book then do not come from the writer's mind, but rather on the strength of which the shaman is considered the foundation of the universe, ikotoruyu they call "intention." "Intent" decides whether the shaman to act in the literary field, or some other. In the words of Don Juan, the shaman is a duty and an obligation to saturate themselves of all available information. The work of the shaman is to inform yourself about everything that is relevant to the subject of his interest. Don Juan used to say: "Do not organize shaman source of information is the" intention. "Shaman just perfect conductor." The book is meant for Don Juan shamanic calling, not a literary problem.
Q: If I may be so to say, your literary works contain a concept akin to the Eastern philosophies, but refuting everything in general aware of the Mexican culture. What are their similarities and differences?
- A: I have not the slightest idea. I have not studied either one or the other. My work - this is a report on the phenomenon of the world, with whom I poznakomildon Juan Matus. From the point of view of phenomenology can not make a statement that there is any similarity. Don Juan's world is so vast, so mysterious and opposed to all that we can only describe it, rather than speculate.
Q: We recognize that the teachings of Don Juan has become part of occult literature. Your opinion of the other exercises in this category, for example, the philosophy of Freemasonry, the Rosicrucians, Hermetic alchemy or disciplines such as Kabbalah, Tarot and Astrology, if you compare them with the teachings of the nagual? Have you had any contact and supporting you in touch with people involved in such practices?
- A: Again, I do not know anything about the goals, views and objects of these disciplines. Don Juan has set us the task to know the unknown, and it takes all of our strength.
Q: Is there an equivalent in the Western concepts of your knowledge of the world of the inorganic beings, intentions and dreams? For example, some people believe that what is observed as a luminous egg, the expression of the aura ...
- A: As far as I know, nothing of what we have uchildon Juan, is unique in the western knowledge. Once upon a time, when Don Juan was still there, I spent a year in search of gurus, teachers and sages who would have given me a hint of what they do. I wanted to know whether there is in the world at that time, something similar to the one that said and done, Don Juan. My resources are very limited and only allowed me to meet with renowned masters, who had millions of followers, but, unfortunately, I could not find anything like it.
- Answer: I do not consider myself a shaman, teacher, or advance in the study of shamanism. Do not consider myself as an anthropologist or scientist of the Western world. I wanted to present a phenomenon that can not be described in words, drawn from the knowledge of the western world. I would have never been able to explain what he taught me, Don Juan, the terms "cause" and "effect". It was impossible to predict what he's going to tell, or what was going to happen. In such circumstances, the transition from one state to another - it is something subjective, it can not work out, think or predict.
Question: In your literary works can be found episodes, incredible to the Western mind. How can a layman to make sure that "the shared reality" really real, as you claim?
- Answer: Make posyaschennym himself to a whole, not only the mind, and you can easily make sure. You can not enter into the world of Don Juan's mind, as if in search of amateur quick and superficial knowledge. How can the world be in this,sure of anything. We can only achieve this level of perception, to make the world around more meaningful. In other words, the purpose of shamanism - to break the barriers of historical and everyday perception, and to know the unknown. That's why he called itself "carrier infinity." He argued that "infinity" is beyond everyday perception. To break down these barriers was to his life. He was a prominent shaman, and reopen it exactly the same desire in their students.
Q: You say that the main characteristic of a human being - a "perceivers of energy." How helpful is your teaching about twenty-first century? Or how it will help bring spiritual renewal?
- Answer: Shamans believe that all human beings have the ability to see energy, to see how it goes with the universe. They believe that "the union of a point," as they call it, etotochka that exists in the field of human energy. In other words, the shaman sees man as the energy that flows through the universe, he sees a luminous egg. In this luminous egg shaman sees the brightest point, approximately at the height of the blades and about an arm's length behind them. Shamans believe that at this point is concentrated perception that energy flowing through the universe, this turns into something tangible, and then we make it something in the everyday world. Shamans believe that we are taught to turn this energy, and thus, we can learn to perceive it. Pragmatic meaning of perceiving energy is the same for humans as the twenty-first, and the first century. It allows him to push the boundaries of perception and use it WSS possessions and their purposes. Don Juan said that extremely surprising to see the miracle of order and chaos of the universe.
Q: You recently presented a physical exercise, which was called "tension." Could you explain what it is? What is their purpose? What spiritual benefit can get a person who is engaged by them individually?
- Answer: According to what we were taught by don Juan Matus, a shaman who lived in ancient Mexico, found the order of movements, under which the body receives a physical and mental freedom, that they decided to call this movement "magical passes." Don Juan told us that through these magical passes shamans reached such a level of consciousness that allowed them to perform feats in terms of perception. For generations, these passes were trained only shamans. They were surrounded by mystery and complex rituals. So they learned to don Juan, and so he taught us, his disciples. We are trying to spread education in these magical passes of those who want them to learn. We called them "live" and transformed it from a specific movements that are appropriate for only one of the teachings of Don Juan, in those that are available to anyone. Practicing "Tension", individually or in groups, you ensure the health, vitality, youth and a general feeling of well-being. Don Juan said that the execution of the magical passes help gather the energy needed to increase awareness, to expand the boundaries of perception.
Q: In "Readers of Infinity" to determine the mode of action of wizards you use the term "sailing, navigation." Are you going to raise the sails and start a new sail? Or kind of Toltec warriors, guardians of knowledge, you end up on?
- A: Yeah, right. With us over the legacy of Don Juan.
Question: I often ask myself whether the warrior, like other similar disciplines encompass spiritual work for a couple for two people?
- Answer: The Warrior's Way includes everything and everyone. There may be a whole family of infallible men. The difficulty lies in the terrible fact that personal relationships are based on emotional cost, and at the moment that really makes a soldier what he or she learned all ties are crumbling. In the everyday world emotional costs can not be the real test, and we live our lives in expectation of reciprocity. Don Juan said that I was a die-hard investor, and the image of my life and feelings can be described as a simple phrase, "I give to people is that they give me."
Q: What is the will to succeed must have someone who wants to live according to the teachings that placed your books? What would you recommend to those who are eager to know their own teachings of Don Juan?
- Answer: Private perfection can not be limited if the "intent" - really "intention." The Teachings of Don Juan - not spiritualism. I repeat this because this question again and again to the surface. The concept of spiritualism is not consistent with the iron discipline of the warrior. For the shaman, such as Don Juan, the most important thing - the notion of pragmatism. When I met him, I believe in its efficiency. I believe - a scientist, a full objectivity and pragmatism. He ruined my claim and made me see that as a true Westerner, I'm not a pragmatist, not an irrationalist. I came to understand that I am only repeating the word "spirituality" to contrast his self-serving aspect of the everyday world. I wanted to get away from the commercialism of everyday life and his zeal called "spirituality." I realized that Don Juan is right when he asked me to address - what I really think "spirituality." I did not know was talking about. What I am saying now, it may seem presumptuous, but another way to say I have not. The shaman, like don Juan wants is what - to enhance awareness, to be able to take all the senses, it is a daunting task, and unshakable commitment, and have no place in the spirituality of the Western world.
Q: Do you have anything to explain to people in South America, in particular - the inhabitants of Chile? Would you like to make any statement in addition to the answers to our questions ?
- A: I have nothing to add. All people are on the same level. At the beginning of my apprenticeship with don Juan Matus, he tried to get me to see how the overall situation at all. I am a native of South America, was very keen on the idea of social change.I once asked Don Juan killer, as I thought, the question: "How can you remain so indifferent to the terrible plight of the people of his tribe, the Indians of Sonora yaki?" I knew that the Indians yaki in a significant percentage suffer from tuberculosis and that, because of their economic situation can not be cured. "Yes, - said Don Juan. - This is very sad, but, you know, your situation is very sad, too, and if you think that you are in better conditions than yaki, you're wrong. Generally speaking, the position of any human beings - is a terrible mess. Nobody has this privilege. All of us - being prone to die, we recognize or not. " This is another sense of pragmatism shamans: we must recognize that we are - beings who are prone to die. "They say that when we do this, it will become a transcendent order and scale.
Laugan Productions, Incorporated
interview for Uno Mismo
July 1998
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